Onda V801 8 Inch Tablet PC Android Quad Core Tablet RAM 2GB WIFI 16GB Black

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Onda V801 8 Inch Tablet PC Android Quad Core Tablet RAM 2GB WIFI 16GB Black

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Onda V801 8 Inch Tablet PC Android Quad Core Tablet RAM 2GB WIFI 16GB Black

Onda V801 Tablet Features:

OS:  Android 4.1.1
CPU: A31 Quad Core
GPU: 8 Core Power VR SGX544MP2
RAM    2GB,DDR3
Storage 16GB
Shell Material    Aluminum shell
Screen: Capacitive Touchscreen
Size:   8 inch
Resolution:  1024*768
Gravity Sensor:   Yes
Display:  HD TFT
Front Camara: 0.3M

Onda V801 Tablet Details:

Gravity Sensor     Yes
Google Play: Pre-installed
Multi-Touch     Yes, 10 points touch
Android Market     Yes
USB: USB 3.0
HDMI:Support
Skype     Yes
Email and Browser: Yes, built in
Extend Card     Support TF card up to 32GB extended
WIFI:    802.11b/802.11g / 802.11n
Earphone Interface     3.5mm
Video:4K HD Videp Play with formats of MP4/3GP/3G2/RM/RMVB/ASF/FLAC/APE/MOV etc.
Music     MP3/WMA/FLAC/APE/WAV/RA/Ogg/MIDI/3GP etc.
Ebook     UMD, TXT, PDF, HTML, RTF, FB2…
Battery : 4400mAh
Weight: 475g
Size: 200*153*9.8mm

Onda V801 Tablet contain:

1 x Onda V801 Tablet Black
1 x USB cable
1 x Charger

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Questions on Onda V801 8 Inch Tablet PC Android Quad Core Tablet RAM 2GB WIFI 16GB Black

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  • From mohamed at 9/22/14 8:09 AM
    • the tablet is restarting it self after the photo pf the lady
      i can not connect it with the computer
      pls help me
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please update the firmware.
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  • From khateeja at 9/22/14 5:46 AM
    • I have onda v801 it worked well by the Grace of ALLAH for one year but one day it rebooted itself to factory settings and now its internal storage is zero. How can I make it work? Thanks
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please choose setting==>>Reset your tablet.
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  • From OndaV801DualCore at 9/18/14 11:26 AM
    • Hello i was asking if Onda v801 DUAL CORE will support any android version higher than the 4.2.2 like kitkat or something like that and i need help in flashing the 4.2.2 as i cant do it or make a flashable version of the 4.2.2 cause that usb burning tool sucks
      Regards,
      Thanks.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      When we release the latest firmware ROM,we will update on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From simz at 9/11/14 8:36 AM
    • i have onda 801 SN: V801SAD9V3C00107
      my tablet is no longer able to go past boot screen and i do not know how to reset it. it is stuck on the boot screen a picture of a lady. please help me on what to do
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.Do not worry,maybe you need update the firmware.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Mofdeep at 9/9/14 12:32 PM
    • Hi,
      Please help me, i need frimware onda v801 dual core 16Gb, S/N : V801DAD2V5A02463 i put the firmware (http://pan.baidu.com/s/1bnCI9Mf) and now my tablet doesn't start. Thanks
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will udpate the firmware ROM on our website,any question please tell us.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From pak at 8/31/14 8:04 AM
    • Hi,
      please help me, i need frimware onda v801 dual core 16Gb, S/N V801DAC9V1C08775, thanks ...
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download here (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=4134402355&uk=389436537)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From mohamed gamal at 8/23/14 3:43 PM
    • Hi. please help me to find firmware for my ONDA V801 s/n: v801d8dav9c00268
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firwmare here (http://pan.baidu.com/s/1bnCI9Mf)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Archangel at 7/28/14 8:38 PM
    • Hi. please help me to find firmware for my ONDA V801 s/n: v801dad2v5a02797.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware here (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=4134402355&uk=389436537)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Abdel at 7/2/14 5:48 AM
    • I have connected my ONDA tablet to PC and after that suddenly it doesn't start never again. It stuck on the boot screen, I tried to wipe and reset but nothing.

      Model 801s
      SN: 801 SAE1V5B00387

      Thanks in advance.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Can you tell us more details about your tablet? Our engineer will contact you soon.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Daniyal at 6/25/14 11:31 AM
    • how do I bring my tablet to recovery mode?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please choose Setting==>Reset your tablet.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Caroline at 6/15/14 8:06 AM
    • i have onda V801
      its keep hang
      i cant do anythink with that tab
      i cant upgrade or do anythink
      bcoz im not understand about electronic at all
      i really need ur help
      r u have service centre in indonesia
      or i need to send to ur service centre somewhere


      thx
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Our engineer will contact you soon.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From george at 6/14/14 2:19 AM
    • where can you put a dual sim in onda v801s plz me i have one so were
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Onda V801 Tablet do not build in SIM Card Slot.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From mark at 6/11/14 4:53 AM
    • I have the Onda v801 and it wont boot any more.I don't know if its charging.Is there a way to tell if its charging ?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please connect the wall charger and hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From userman at 6/4/14 5:13 AM
    • I am using V801s tablet and I like to connect internet through USB dongle. Kindly advice me how to connect. I am not able to see any option to enable. Am having ZTE data card.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please wipe the OTG Cable Gold Chip,do not worry,maybe do not contact well.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From userman at 6/3/14 5:18 AM
    • I am using V801s. I am not able to save my APN settings. There is no option to save the APN settings under mobile networks. Kindly help to solve.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Onda V801s Tablet do not support APN setting.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Georgy at 4/28/14 4:38 AM
    • Hi

      my onda v801 suddenly start to show charging status always on.
      what can be the problem?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please update the firmware,this is the firmware bug.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Giuseppe at 4/22/14 12:43 AM
    • Hello, my onda v801 has S/N:
      V801DACAV1C01544
      I flashed trhe firmware from: http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=4134402355&uk=389436537 but the tablet won't start, what is the correct firmware ? The device won't boot but is detected by windows as "world cup device"

      Thanks in advance,
      Giuseppe
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware ROM here
      http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=4134402355&uk=389436537
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From userman at 4/22/14 9:46 PM
    • how to connect my cdma datacard with ondav810s tablet
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      You can connect your tablet with 3G USB Dongle through Micro OTG cable.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Kaycee at 4/10/14 1:18 AM
    • I do have Onnda V801s. The quality of the sound is bad. It's so low. I can't even plug and earphones or headset at all..
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      This is the firmware bug,we will release the latest firmware on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Kaycee at 4/10/14 1:16 AM
    • The sound quality is bad..i can't even plug any headset or earphones at all!

      Please advise.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the latest firmware on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From magoya at 4/8/14 7:40 AM
    • Hello. I have a model: V801s. The table can't start. When I press the bottom to start, the table show me de icon move in circule, and stay here for ever. How can I repair the tablet?

      Thank you.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Our after sale service will contact you,maybe you need update the firmware.
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  • From Riaan at 3/21/14 11:22 AM
    • Good day how do I connect my Onda V801s serial nr V80 1S8E 1V5C01112 to the internet. Instruction manual is all Chinese. When I open my settings there is no Wi-Fi option. There is only a Aeroplane mode, Ethernet, VPN, Tethering & portable hotspot and Mobile Networks. any help please. Thank you very much.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please choose Setting==>>WIFI connection and connect with WIFI.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Riyan at 3/16/14 11:43 AM
    • I Update My Onda v801 Quad Core in Android 4.4 v3, My Device's serial no : V801QAD3V2A05559 . But After updating my Device,WIFI dosent Work.How Can I solve this problem?Please provide me Useful Solution. It would be very helpful to me.Thanks.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the firmware Update guide on our website.
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  • From Mostafizur Riyan at 3/14/14 5:17 AM
    • My Onda v801 has serial no: V801QAD3V2A05559 with quad core
      Please give me a link for firmware (update or stock)
      The links you give on previous,That can't Download Fully.When Download goes at 80% or some more,It dosent response anymore or Stopped.So please give me a link to download Properly. It would be very helpful to me.Thanks.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please try update the file again.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Jefferson at 3/1/14 6:15 AM
    • my onda has serial no: V801QAD3V2D08470 with quad core
      Please give me a link for firmware(update or stock)
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware : http://pan.baidu.com/s/1kTfWJrT
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From disdom wan at 3/1/14 3:49 AM
    • how can i update the firmware.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please check it here (http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-firmware-update-guide/)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From disdom wan at 2/28/14 1:11 PM
    • I have my onda v801s quad core and when i on it only the woman display. So I want any firmware on this tablet ,the stock firmware or the update firmware. The links you give on previous question can't download. So please give me a link to download.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware here
      http://pan.baidu.com/s/1kTr2bgb
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From disdom wan at 2/28/14 12:59 PM
    • my onda has serial no: V801sAD8V3B00223 with quad core
      Please give me a link for firmware(update or stock) download and a guide which is written in english. Thanks you
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware here:
      http://pan.baidu.com/s/1qWrXLpE
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From disdom wan at 2/28/14 12:49 PM
    • Hello. I have a onda V801s quad core. When I boot my tablet then comes the woman and continue nothing happens. Can you help
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Our engineer will contact you soon,maybe you need update the firmware.
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  • From disdom wan at 2/28/14 12:33 PM
    • my onda v801 quad core when i on it come boot it hangs
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Sandra Schulz at 2/18/14 4:04 PM
    • Hallo. Ich habe ein onda v801. Wenn ich mein tablet starte dann kommt die frau und weiter passiert nichts. Can you help me?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Riyan at 2/7/14 9:37 PM
    • HI,I own a tablet - "Onda V801 Quad Core".I need a firmware update for my Tab.Is there any link to get 4.2.2 or 4.3 or 4.4 firmware to My v801 ? It would be very helpful to me.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the latest firmware on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From zyxer at 1/28/14 7:31 AM
    • Is there possibilities to get kitkat to v801? Thanks!
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Onda V801 Quad Core support Android 4.4 Kitkat Firmware update.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From zyxer at 1/28/14 7:30 AM
    • Hello there! My onda v801 stucked at the Android logo. Please help!
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From CheekoAWM at 1/23/14 4:54 AM
    • V801QAD3V1A01376
      My Onda is stuck on the boot screen, I tried to wipe and reset but nothing. The computer wouldn't recognize it as it gets stuck during start up even when connected to computer. Kindly advice
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From youssef so3odi at 1/14/14 12:14 PM
    • hi i have onda v801 dual core v1 i couldnt boot into download mode to update it to 4.2.2 and my ota update doesnt work so i wanted to know how to fix the ota update or how to update it using adb sideload any help?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the latest firmware on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Lauro Fontana at 12/29/13 12:39 PM
    • Hi. I own a tablet V801 dual-core ARM v7 with serial number V801DAD1V4B00203 with Android 4.1.1 firmware (I think) and 2.1 kernel 3.08.
      I wanted to ask if there are any firmware updates for my device, since I can not find anything via wifi.
      I'm Italian, so excuse me for my not perfect English.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware here (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=4134402355&uk=389436537)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From крум at 12/18/13 6:52 AM
    • whenyou get newupdate onda v801 quad core
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      When we got the latest Android 4.4 Kitkat Firmare update,we will release on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Loren at 12/13/13 8:09 AM
    • Do you have an "instructions for Use" in English?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Yes,we will release the manual on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Dipto at 12/10/13 4:44 AM
    • my onda V801 don't charge when I plug in it in my laptop.....what can I do?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Have you got charging logo when connect with wall charger? or please connect with your computer.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From aung at 11/19/13 4:05 PM
    • my onda has serial no: V801D8D4V8A00542 with dual core, 8 inch and ARM CortexA9.
      Please give me a link for firmware(update or stock) download and a guide which is written in english. Thanks you
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware here (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3124687543&uk=389436537)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From ko aung at 11/18/13 2:42 AM
    • I am very sorry to say that my onda v801 is v8 version with cortex A9 dual core 8 inches.
      so, can I get a firmware [stock or update] for my onda.
      Also, I also want a link for firmware installation manual written in english.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the latest firmware on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From ko aung at 11/16/13 3:37 PM
    • I dowloaded the link you give and now I need a manual written in english.
      Thank you for your help
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please check it here (http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-firmware-update-guide/)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From ko aung at 11/16/13 3:36 PM
    • I dowloaded the link you give and now I need a manual written in english.
      Thank you for your help
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please check it here (http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-firmware-update-guide/)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From ko aung at 11/16/13 12:00 AM
    • Thank you so much for quick reply. I'm so proud with your customer care. I downloaded from the link you gave. But I need a help again. I ned a manual written in English for firmware installation. The one already contain in the zip is written in chinese which I can't read. Thanks you for your help.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please check the guide here (http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-firmware-update-guide/)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From ko aung at 11/16/13 11:59 PM
    • Thank you so much for quick reply. I'm so proud with your customer care. I downloaded from the link you gave. But I need a help again. I ned a manual written in English for firmware installation. The one already contain in the zip is written in chinese which I can't read. Thanks you for your help.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please check the English Firmware update guide here (http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-firmware-update-guide/)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From ko aung at 11/16/13 11:45 PM
    • Thank you so much for your quick reply and I'm so proud with your customer caree
      I downloaded the firmware from the link you gave.Please help me again. I need a manual for the firmware installation written in English. The one already contain in the zip is written in chinese and I can't read that. Thank you so much for your help.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We have release the latest English Firmware update guide on our website,please check it here (http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-android-tablet-firmware-update-guide/)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Jan at 11/14/13 5:28 AM
    • where can I get the newest firmware for my v801 v1 quad core?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the latest firmware on our website.
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  • From ko aung at 11/13/13 4:58 PM
    • I have my onda v801 and it is not working well. So I want any firmware on this tablet ,the stock firmware or the update firmware. The links you give on previous question can't download. So please give me a link to download.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Onda V801 Firmware download,please check (http://pan.baidu.com/s/1qX9oR)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Maung at 11/2/13 11:19 PM
    • What is the shipping cost to Myanmar?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      The shipping cost to Myanmar is 15.5USD.
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  • From Yaw at 10/30/13 3:09 PM
    • I want to use a usb modem to connect my 801s since i dont have access to wifi. Will this be possible and how do i do that? Thank you.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please reset your tablet.
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  • From Andres Lazcano at 10/23/13 11:28 AM
    • I recently bought and received a Onda v8o1 tablet. It was opened at customs, but every thing was received.
      Would it be possible to receive on my e-mail, the download or how to get it, of the English version of the User Guide? I have been trying to get it online unsuccesfully.
      Thank you for your response.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will release the manual on our website.
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  • From Jess C. at 9/15/13 1:59 AM
    • Hi,
      Recently my Google Play stopped working and now Gmail is doing the same : "Unfortunately Google Play Store has stopped."
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please hold the power button for 5-10 seconds as soft reset.
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  • From Made at 9/13/13 2:30 AM
    • Hi There,

      Can you tell me how to set up the tablet into English? I have bought the tablet but it still uses Chinese. Thanks for your help.
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Onda V801 Tablet come with English Setting.Please choose Setting==>>Language.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Ale at 9/6/13 12:04 PM
    • Where i can get this Firmware?? Android 4.1.1 BaseBand Version 1.2
      http://www.onda-tablet.com/news/onda-a31-quad-core-ota-update/
      Thanks
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We will update the firmware download on our website.
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From Alexis at 9/6/13 11:25 AM
    • My Onda V801 tablet miscarried, and wanted to install the factory firmware
      My SN Tablet is V801QAD3V1B09062
      Where I can get the factory firmware?

      Thanks
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download here (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3504856585&uk=389436537)
    • Do you find this question helpful?  Yes   No
  • From youssef ehab at 8/30/13 3:31 AM
    • I bought an onda v801 dual core it was android version 4.0.4
      I updated it to android 4.1.1 and then I found on the website the 4.2.2 android update I downloaded it according to my version I was v1 after downloading I tried to flash like the 4.1.1 in an SD card but said installation aborted to I translated the word and read the instructions I couldn't do them I couldn't boot into the mode so can you tell me an easier step please I need the 4.2.2 the 4.1.1 is laggy and slow please
      And contact me on my email and thanks in advanced
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      We have release the latest Android 4.2.2 ROM,please choose Setting==>>WIFI Conect than OTA update.
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  • From Gyorgy Szabo (HUN) at 8/23/13 3:28 AM
    • Hi,

      sorry, but when I opened my package, detected, that
      the 'europe plug' type is different from hungarian plug type.

      Gyorgy
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Our Customer Service will contact you soon.
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  • From Gyorgy Szabo (HUN) at 8/23/13 3:12 AM
    • Hi,

      I'm very happy with my new tablet.

      Thanks
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
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  • From Mostafizur Rahman at 8/13/13 11:37 AM
    • Is there any 4.2 Jelly Bean available for Onda V801 quad core ???
      I really need this.sometimes I face some problems.like sometimes the touch volume buttons are gone invisible.I need a firmware urgent.but in your given link,i cant find Onda V801's firmware...what can i do now ?
    • Onda Tablet:
      Thank you for your mail.
      Please download the firmware here:
      Onda V801 Quad Core V1: (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3504856585&uk=389436537)
      Onda V801 Quad Core V2: (http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=3507012208&uk=389436537)
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